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to arrive in montana for a town hall event, ready to challenge what he calls myths about his health care reform effort. white house officials tell me prospects are changing right now, but not in the way you think. i'll talk with white house health care czar about that, about president obama's deal with companies and the strategy after the august recess. >>> have the town hall gathering forced them to back away from the death panels? are republicans like sarah palin winning or losing? and does the president still have the communications mojo to make this work. i'll talk with paul krugman. >>> good day. i'm john harwood of cnbc and "the new york times." this is "the new york times special edition." on the front page this hour, president obama expected to arrive any moment in montana. at the end of this hour, he'll be holding his second town hall meeting on health care this week. you can see it here on msnbc. he'll hold another one tomorrow in colorado. he's trying once again to sell his plan to the people concerned about big government and price tags. no better place for that than big sky
with a cowboy hat, absolutely. you've got a little plaque on there. >> montana ambassadors. we're business advisory group appointed by the governor. we've served three republican and two democratic governors and i'd like to welcome you on behalf of the montana ambassadors. >> thank you so much. you make a great ambassador. >> thank you. my question, and i'm glad you called on me, it has to do with the cobra question because i'm in the building materials business. i own a lumberyard in a beautiful little town of 1,000 people about 40 miles southwest of here, innes, and i was -- when the economy took a nose dive, i was forced to take my workforce from 11 people to 6, and i'm one of, like most employers in america, i want to provide. i think it's my responsibility to provide health insurance. you like to take care of our peeps, so to speak. >> [ inaudible ]. >> so i went searching for replacement coverage for employees that went off only to find out that cobra doesn't apply to me because i have less than 20 employees and that conservatively affects 80% of all workers in montana. so they were
for today's town hall in belgrade, montana. it will be important to see montanans come out in force to say no to government health care. a member of patients first told the associated press yesterday. some 1,300 people got inside after first come first serve ticket giveout at two city halls. one of those people a welder named randy rathi had driven almost all the way across montana to get tickets so he could confront president. here is what happened when a real working joe from a state that represents the real america expressed his real concerns about real health care reform to his president. >> my name is randy rathie. i'm from ekolaka, montana and as you can see, aim a proud nra member. [ cheering ] >> i believe in our constitution. >> yeah. >> and it's a very important thing. i also get my news from the cable networks because i don't like the spin that comes from them other places. >> oh, you got to be careful about them cable networks, though. but that's okay. go ahead. go ahead with your question. >> max bachus our senator has been locked up in a dark room there for months now trying
in a second. we understand this town hall meeting in montana today for president obama could be a little more rowdy, as you put it on politico than the new hampshire one. why? >> willie, when "morning joe" talks, the white house perks up, if we can continue our talk analogies here. >> sure. >> what did joe, what did chuck todd, what did pat buchanan say yesterday? they said the president would have been better off at that town hall this week if the president had answereded critics, had taken tough questions. it's not like president obama would be thrown off his script by some dude standing up in a town hall. so for this afternoon's montana edition, the white house gave out their tickets a little differently. instead of giving the tickets to supporters or more care-free controlled, they went to two town halls in montana and gave them out on a first served -- first curve -- that will ultimately be the question. first come first served basis so it may be a little more tougher questioning this time for colorado. in a day or two the president will go back to the white house method of ticketing. 1,
with montana democrats. and now the denver post one of the largest papers in the mountain region is calling for a public option, saying it's the only way to bring about real reform. it it's the best way to slow escalating health care costs and expand access to quality care. the country ultimately will lose if the public option vanishes because of the democratic's best effort to reform health care. what's going on with max baucus. >> i think we'll feel the impact of that editorial, we have got a lot of congressional elections here that are going to be contested. congressman john salazar is up for a tough election. becky mary up for a tough election and i think you'll see the republican editorial peace sup for debate. they have said that they conc t conceptually support a public option. but you never know what's going to happen in the negotiation. in relation to max baucus, a new poll came out showing that the democrats in montana, quite a small state are extremely unhappy with baucus on the issue of health care and baucus who said he strongly supports a public option, but has subsequently -
for break they are about to take stock of where the priorities stand. jon tester of montana joins us. good to see you. >> good to be on and congratulations on the show, carlos. i'm a big fan. >> thank you very much. very much appreciated. i understand for all of the focus on health care that you've actually been focused on a very different issue related to general motors, the large car company. you want to share a little bit what seems to be a pretty strong piece of frustration on your part? >> absolutely, carlos. what has gone on is gm who took $50 billion of bailout money has decided to go to a bankruptcy court and cancel a contract with the stillwater mine that provides them with the material that goes into catalytic converters which makes the cars burn cleaner so the air is cleaner that comes out of the exhaust. >> to be clear, that's a mine in montana? >> that's a mine in montana. the only specific mine in the united states. they said we're getting the palladium from russia or south america. when they came to the banking committee, gm i'm talking about, a year and a half ago, they sai
to montana, the obama family is on their way to montana right now, where this afternoon the president will be holding a town hall meeting, another town hall meeting to try to sell his plan, what he calls selling the myths of what has been said by the opposition about the plan. it's the big story at the white house. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent, savannah guthrie. savannah, have they figured out another way to get their message across? it hasn't worked so far, to their satisfaction, or anyone else's. >> reporter: well, look, they know they have a problem. the polls show it, clearly. numerous polls show that support for health care reform is dropping. so what they're trying to do is one thing they have always done, which is put the president out there. they've refined the message. today's town hall will focus on yet another insurance reform, focusing on what around here they call rescissions, which is the practice of insurance companies when they drop people when they become sick. so that will be the focus of the town hall. we've seen kind of some different stuff on
know, a lot of people talk about max bachus. max bachus pays attention to what people say in montana. he does. there's been single payors in his state. and this republican force is going to die. when grassley said the other day he pretty much admitted this was a farce, chairman baucus knows he has to get a bill out of this committee and if he only has democrats to work with, guess what the majority democrats on his committee favor a political option. if he's going to get a bill out of this committee with zero republican boats it's going to have to have a public option in the senate finance bill; otherwise, there isn't going to be a bill, right? and he knows there has to be a bill. so it matters what you say. it's one of the reasons i've been very careful not to criticize individual senators. i don't mind talking about their views because at the end, i think we're going to get almost every democratic senator. almost every one because there's not going to be any republicans. they're not going to be interested in forming the bill and, therefore, the democratic caucus is going to have a
? what's going on? >> hey, this is montana, big sky country. beautiful resort here that the president is staying at. and they've got all sorts -- a very family-friendly resort here, lots of places for kids to enjoy. it's actually where i -- >> that's not where you're staying. >> no, but that's where -- well, you're right, but that's where i stayed last night, slept in a teepee. >> i did not, discuss really? you're just pulling my leg. but there are places where you can. that's kind of rustic of you, chuck. >> i'm sure they are, but not here. it's hard to imagine a place with the "resort" in its name -- >> nick is saying you are so done with this. bye, chuck todd. >> reporter: bye, see you tomorrow. >>> you can watch the town hall live at 6:15 p.m. eastern. >>> the first named storm of the 2009 atlantic hurricane season is taking shape at this hour. bill karins is tracking ana for us and more. what's the latest? >> as expected we now have two systems. we have ana and now tropical depression number three. i'm more concerned with tropical depression number three an i am with ana. there's
slipping, president obama hit the road again this time in belgrade, montana. the crowd was much friendlier than those rowdy town halls we have seen, but the president finally did get a couple of questions that were not complete softballs. chuck todd joins us in a moment from montana. plus, you know those end of life counsel prognosis visions in the health care bills which republicans, like sarah palin, have distorted into death panels? it turns out republicans were actually for end of life counseling before they were against it. that's just one of the inconsistencies we'll discuss with republican john culbertsoc. >> and how far has he fallen? there is a report that john edwards is about to finally admit he is the father of his mistress's child? where would he be if edwards had not been so wisely dejected by wise democratic voters last year. >> and bill clinton has some tough words on the networks crowd on don't ask don't tell. >> and what does it mean to be palinized? ask one who says it could easily happen to her. the definition coming up on the hardball side show. >>> first president oba
in montana and another one tomorrow in colorado. >>> in washington, it's damage control. the white house downplays reports it made an $80 billion back room deal with drugmakers. >>> spilling secrets. why is the man known for keeping secrets now penning his own tell-all? is cheney trying to score or settle with his former boz president bush? >>> good morning, everyone. i'm carlos watson. terrific hour coming to you. republicans strategist kevin madden and sarah taylor and laura tyson and plus we talk to the filmmakers behind hbo new documentary "the fixer." and savannah guthrie at the white house and prime time ed shultz is joining us in the studio. here are the top headlines. nbc news obtained dramatic video of the air collision over the hudson river. it's incredibly disturbing to watch. a warning to people. it captured the moment where a plane and helicopter collided and killed all nine board. >>> a final farewell to eunice shriver kennedy. friends and family are gathered today in massachusetts to say good-bye to the 88-year-old humanitarian who is most notably associated with the found
for health care reform slipping, president obama hit the road again. this time in belgrade, montana. the crowd was much friendlier than those rowdy town halls we've seen from members of congress, but the president finally did get a couple of questions that were not complete softballs. chuck todd joins us in a moment from montana. >>> plus, you know those end of life counseling provisions in the health care bills which republicans like sarah palin have distorted into death panels? well, it turns out that republicans like sarah palin were actually for end of life counseling before they were against it. that's just one of the inconsistencies we'll discuss with an opponent of reform, republican congressman john culberson of texas joining us in a moment. >>> also, how far has he fallen? 24r is a report that john edwards is about to finally admit that he is, indeed, the father of his mistress' child. so where would we be if edwards had not been so decisively rejected by wise democratic primary voters last year? >>> plus, bill clinton has some tough words for the netroots crowd on don't as
hampshire or the one yesterday in montana. i think they would like to see a little more pushback from critics and people who are concerned that we are seeing at town hall meetings. it allows the president to explain better to someone who is skeptical about what health care reform would mean for them. >> let's check out one of the more heated moments in yesterday's town hall and the president's reaction. take a look. >> we keep getting the bum. that's all we get, is bull. you can't tell us how you are going to pay for this. the only way you are going to get that money is to raise our taxes. that's the only way you can do that. >> i'm happy to answer the question. >> thank you. >> you are absolutely right, that i can't cover another 46 million people for free. >> how to grade the president on his town hall so far, the way he has handled the tougher questions? >> i think he has done exceptionally well. he has talked about health care for the past, i think you could say, probably six weeks or so, almost nonstop every day. here was a tough question from squun w someone who is skeptical tha
-election at all. his polls are way down out in montana and this is a somewhat embattled figure within washington. this is someone that a lot of democrats just don't trust. a lot of republicans don't trust and -- >> why don't they trust him? why don't they trust him? is it because he doesn't -- i mean, does he go back on his word or is he just a guy who doesn't play sides? >> i think he's a guy -- i think probably more the latter. i think, you know, he was for the bush tax cuts in 2001. he had to deal with chuck grassley last year and then he sort of turned around and supported the democrats on a key medicare bill last summer. he does sort of play both sides of the fence which i guess is smart if you want to get re-elected every six years in montana but, again, he seemed shell-shocked by the whole situation now. i saw him in a town hall meeting. he was actually surrounded by youtubes as he called him, which i think he meant cameras. no, it's true. there are even people with youtubes in the audience and i was like, whoa. he said i think i meant cameras but, anyway, i put it in my story. it went vi
remarks. thanks very much. >> thanks a lot, alex. >>> the first family made time in montana for some whitewater rafting. today they are touring national parks in yellowstone, wyoming and grand junction, colorado. in addition to the president's town hall at precisely 6:15 p.m. eastern time. chuck todd is traveling with the president and he will join us with a live report in just a little bit. >>> seven people are dead, 91 injured after a suicide car bombing at nato's military headquarters in afghanistan. it happened in the capital city of kabul in a heavily guarded neighborhood. it comes five days before the presidential election. thetal l taliban has claimed responsibility. the blast was the first major attack since february. >> and do look at this video from china. the flooding is as you can see literally watching the homes away. not only causing landslides, but they destroyed roads and burst the river banks. according to cctv, china's state owned news channel, up to 11 are dead, two people are injured. >>> well, police in georgia confirm that a missing woman's cell phone has been f
or probably already have gotten a phone call saying you have a ticket, come pick it up. with the montana one yesterday, they did that one a little bit differently, they handed tickets out for about a two hour window and it was first come first serve and individuals could get up to two tickets, meaning you don't know who the second ticket was going to go to. >> kind of fun to wake occupy a saturday morning and go what are you doing today? i don't know. i'm going go hear the president. it is kind of cool. although do you it every day. >> reporter: one quick thing on that front. you see criticisms saying he's only got supporters. guess what? his supporters will be more motivated to wait in line and stay up late to make sure they get a ticket probably who are so than opponents. >> and you have point. chuck todd, thank you so much. >>> you can watch the president's town hall live at 6:15 p.m. eastern. we'll have it right here on msnbc saturday. mean time, developing now, a large explosion in kabul near the nato headquarters. that blast was caused by a suicide car bomb. the explosion has killed se
'm joined live from big sky, montana, chuck todd. good morning again, chuck. >> reporter: good morning, alex. >> let's talk about the president's response. what was it and did it satisfy the crowd? >> well, i think the crowd was satisfied with the answer. what the president did was, he answered specifically on this issue of paying for health care. you know, this is something that's frustrated the white house a bit. that is, from the very beginning, the president said whatever they do with health care, it is not going to add to the deficit. the problem is, you know, the general public is still seeing what government is doing in general, in seeing a big deficit, in seeing a lot of money spent. while it is true that everything they're doing, every plan they've come up will be deficit-neutral when it comes to this thing, it's just not -- that part of it is penetrating the public psyche enough, or what, because that has been something that, when you listen to these protesters and listen to the folks that have come to these town has and been upset, really the core of the upset, of why they're upse
us about those plans. >> he's got a couple of town halls. one in colorado, one in montana. this is a three or four-day swing out west. montana, colorado and arizona and do some sightseeing with the fo whole family. >> thanks so much. >>> coming up, he was convicted in connection with the 1988 lockerbie bombing and now, he might be set free because he's sick. but how sick is he and does it matter? >>> plus, it was only a few months that anything obama sold like hot cakes. now, there's an up tick in antiobama gear. >>> and you've seen the ads. sell your gold for cash now. but should you? you're watching "it's the economy" on msnbc. i was in the grocery store when i had a heart attack. my daughter was with me. i took a bayer aspirin out of my purse and chewed it. my doctor said the bayer aspirin saved my life. please talk to your doctor about aspirin and your heart. i'm going to be grandma for a long time. have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. at legalzoom, we'll help you incorporate your busines file a patent, make a will and more. yo
, for the administration, it is the first of three events out in montana and colorado later this week, and it's a process that they're trying to again somewhat uphill battle because again they wanted this done by now. they didn't want to have this battle going on in august, but it's still in full swing. david? >> drums on the outside of the town hall. nbc's ron allen. ron, thanks for the report. >>> and by the way, that protester with a gun that we mentioned, his name is william costrick. he will be a guest on "hardball" tonight with chris matthews. it's coming up one hour from now. -n >>> how is the insurance industry responding to attacks from the democrats. today is not the first day the presidents a accused the industry. he once accused insurers of abuses and record profits. nancy pelosi called them, quote, villains. a democratic organization is accusing the insurance industry of, quote, stirring up fear with false rumors. the head of a group that represents insurance companies says democratic lawmakers are not helping their case by vilifying the insurance industry. they say members of congress will
in the senate with both parties. the president, again, met with senator bachus on friday in montana and they discussed the progress that was being made among democrats and republicans on the finance committee. that's our focus. >> as we've mentioned on this news hour before the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. speaking of which, fresh town hall insanity. that one health care giant is no longer even bothering to pretend he is astroturf. united health group now directly urging its employees to attendanty reform rallies, mass mailing a letter, and setting up a hotline to direct its own callers, its own people to local events. quoting from the letter, it is critical we as leaders in the health care industry are communicating with our members of congress to ensure that they understand our story and views. isn't that what lobbyists and truck loads worth of campaign donations and bribes are for? outside a town hall event in bozeman, montana democrat max bachus shouted down with chants of no, no, no and getting a little
. >> president obama holds yet another town hall tomorrow, so we'll be in montana. it was a state that obama almost was able to win last year. not normally grown as a battleground state but one where he did better than previous democratic presidential contenders. >>> also, protesters and supporters are already heading to montana setting the stage for what could be another rowdy show, particularly outside the town hall venue. >>> and then finally tomorrow is the second day for that net roots nation blogosphere con fab that's going on in pittsburgh. tomorrow's main event is howard dean, who is going to be speaking on, you guessed it, health care. >> and, mark, as you noted, the president out west. how might that factor into the conversation? we know so much is transitioning the way we think. what used to be the midwest, but now people say the west as a barometer of so much. >> tamron, you raise a really interesting thing because obama and democrats have done very, very well out in the western part of the country in 2006, 2008 election cycles, and they're very libertarian, independent streak. i
hall meeting. maybe they'll get it in montana, maybe they'll get it in colorado, but i do think they're trying to see if they can just put a period on this whole town hall mess that's going on with members of congress. >> chuck, as we move forward, i want to bring in angela bert-murray who has a question for, my guest co-host. >> town halls have been the president's strength and go to place when ents to get his message out to the people directly but what we're seeing is a lot of debate. how ready is the administration as he heads to montana? how ready is he to face people that aren't his typical fans? people that really are going to disrupt the process? can they handle that? >> well, i think two weeks ago, i would have said no. i think they were caught flat-footed, that the fight over health care had become, to borrow a phrase, i think chris matthews said it first, part of the culture wars. when something gets into the culture war aspect, i'm talking about god, gays and abortion those inflaming passions in the '90s and maybe in the early part of the 21st century, i think that isn't w
has the right plan to fix health care. the president and first lady will arrive in montana a few hours from now. he will hold a town hall just before 3:00 eastern. getting involved in a informed debate. you can watch the president's town hall live from montana right here on msnbc. our coverage set to begin at 2:55 eastern time. he may have one less rumor to deal with. the end-of-life provision, which some argued would end with death panels. here is an interesting note on former governor, sarah palin, who led the charge on criticizing this. it looks as though palin supported end of life while governor. in 2008, governor palin declared a, quote, health care decisions day, which called for more awareness and the need to plan ahead for decisions needed to end a life. nobody knows how that specifically differs from what had been in the health care plan nationally. >> fun death panels. god help us. we know president obama and the drug industry reach add deal on health care reform that involves billions in concessions, and we know the industry will spend $50 million to lobby for the president
. same thing with health care. if you are in nebraska, montana , where mount -- where max baucus is from, iowa where chuck grassley is from. you are going to see these ads playing out much more. that is why the coverage on c- span is so great on this issue, including the videos that you have been getting from town halls. >host: let me ask you about senator baucus. he will be in attendance, although he will not be speaking at the town hall meeting in montana, and there's also a piece this morning in "the washinton post," how the deficit is playing in all this. senator baucus's role in the health-care debate, and also the deficit impact on the debate. guest: senator baucus is one of the keys to having any sort of a deal that will have republicans on board. if he can work with top republicans, senator grassley has said, as viewers know, the he will not make it one man deal. he agrees to a deal, it will be one that republicans can agree to. that is why republicans are watching so closely what will come out of german baucus' -- of chairman baucus' committee. it might be a little rowdier, a li
-- >> sitting in an air hangar in montana. look, we remember -- >> i'm wondering how you get the bureaucracy of health care whether it is private property or government barack receipts. >> we don't want the government make health care decisions for doctors and individuals, and the president doesn't believe health insurance companies should make those determinations either. when they decide that you are too sick or when they decide -- i'm sure you could go on the air right now and get 100 viewers to call in that have dealt with their insurance company and found that it had to go through extra paperwork because our original the treatment was denied, or some extra hurdle was put in place that they had to jump over in order to receive the treatment they deserved. that shouldn't happen -- what in the world is that? [laughter] life like i am, like, never mind. i'm not going to go -- [laughter] those decisions should be made role that the private insurance company currently has on health care, that seems to suggest those bureaucrats would still be there. >> well, i don't know who administers box's
, texas, oklahoma, montana and west virginia. all of whom have natural resources and energy income. and i think by the way, texas is the most understudied success story in the country. if you really want to look at stunning economic capability, texas is remarkable. as i said earlier, we had sustained very low growth, and we did it selectively, because we actually doubled the budget of the national institute of health, while controlling spending. now, policies do matter, and texas is a good place to study that. texas was responsible for 70% of net new jobs in 2008. in the entire country, 70% of the net new jobs were in the state of texas. their unemployment rate is about 2 percentage points below the national average. one reason is, their legislature only meets every other year. this is very important. of the rise of professional legislators has led to the rise of powerful interest groups who basically sustain those legislators and the result is you get much too much government, much too much bus -- bureaucracy, and much too much special interest. when you elect people from the general pop
and montana but he seems to be losing the message war. is it time to effectively retreat on the public option question and get through some kind of health care reform that perhaps does include a public option? >> absolutely, absolutely. not. as a matter of fact, the insurance companies got a head start and a jump with us. they went up with their ads. they did a great job of convincing many people that somehow the government was going to take over and was going to be too expensive, it was not the thing to do, and so they got a jump. they got a head start but now we begin to fight back and you will see those polls change because people don't know absolutely what a government option is, what that means. we've got to define it. we've got to keep talking about it. we've got to help the american people to understand that the insurance companies have basically taken advantage of the american people. we have 47 million people without insurance. but more than that, the cost of the premiums have increased tremendously over the past several years. more profits for the insurance companies. the top ten ce
to some agreement. >> besides the town hall, tomorrow, what else is he doing in montana? recreationally that you can --? >> i hope we'll be enjoying big sky country, but i don't have anything to announce. >> doing what? hiking? fishing? >> i don't have any announcement on that today. >> any coverage? >> probably not. >> whatever it is -- >> at least i can lead on that side of it. >> whatever it is, we will see it, is that what you are saying? >> robert, i want to follow up on what chuck was asking about senator grassley. so he's the top senator on the senate finance committee. the president has talked to him, the president wants a bipartisan bill, and yet senator grassley came out and said, no public plan option, no way, no how, he won't vote for a bill on it. and yesterday in a chance to clarify this death penalty thing, instead he jumped on it and people -- death panel, sorry. he said people have a right to be afraid of it. so can you still count, seriously, chuck grassley as an ally in getting your health care bill passed? >> i still think there is the possibility of getting bipartis
faces default in two years, max bachus of montana and he said i may face a deficit in two years, hannity never mentioned the correction. we thought it was just hannity stupidity. he is deliberately lying. last night he continued to repeat the quote. honestly if, the government had standards for news as stringent as it does for when you can call a beverage orange juice, fox noise would be car wash by late sunday afternoon. >>> challiss mcaffee arrest ford taking photographs of a home then said it was part of a foreclosure investigation. when the homeowner rejected pulling a .357 handgun on the man. he is not your average gun happy man. he is member of the eight county republican central committee, a member of the idaho state central republican committee and an organizer of the idaho tea parties. >>> and dateline in woodbury, minnesota, congresswoman michelle bachmann. once she is clearly not through. people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines if they're liberal members of congress and let them know under no certain circumstances will i give the gover
to have a more open debate, would you consider, for example, in montana, giving the republican congress -- >> i think the president feels very comfortable with the fact these having a representative discussion despite people's disappointment, that he wasn't yelled at. >> i don't doubt that if you look at the protests that we saw outside of the building yesterday, as a continuum from the t.e.a. parties and controversy over the birth certificate and some of the anger over the gates/crowley episode, i wonder -- >> let me just -- i go in the front door. i -- i don't doubt that but i'm saying -- i didn't see a representative sample the science. >> this is a president who campaigned on the notion that we could get beyond the partisan -- the ugly partisan warfare of the last 60 years. there could be, you know, rational discussion that could bring parties together. and i wonder what happened to that, why did the postpartisan presidency not materialize? >> jonathan, again, i -- i don't know if you were outside or inside, but i think there was a rational discussion about issues not based on ideol
parties. the president again met with senator baucus on friday in montana. they discussed the progress being made between democrats and republicans on the finance committee. that's our focus. >> senator grassley this morning talking about broad-based support for health care legislation that so far, no one has developed that kind of support. neither in congress nor at the white house. that doesn't mean we should quit. it means we should keep working and put things together to get widespread support. >> the white house completely agrees with what senator grassley says there. that's why i said this morning that our preferred option is to go the route of getting all those involved that are at the table to agree to something that can be supported by both parties. i can't speak to what republicans will ultimately end up doing. the president doesn't have control over every person's vote on this. he can and will continue to work to try to get agreement on both sides of the aisle on this. the president believes this issue is far too important to not try. to walk away from a perfect opportunity
's going to montana. but what's your position this morning in the wake of all this? >> i think the president has the guts and the sense to get his health care plan through. i think he's willing to compromise with congress about it. i don't think he's willing to compromise with heem who stand up and shout at town hall meetings. who are unpleasant, unfair and it's counter productive. if you've ever been at a town hall meeting or a speech or any kind of a meeting where somebody just stands up and starts yelling, that doesn't make you like that person or doesn't convince you of that person's argument. you hate it and you want it to stop. it doesn't do any good. >> do you think it might actually ignite the left grassroots to really get behind the president? it might be a counter-effect here? >> i think there will be a counter-effect. i think it actually might put a little steel in the spine of some congresspeople who are wavering on it. people don't like to stand there and get yelled at by organized hooligans. it doesn't make them feel good. they can read polls, they know how the pe
, didn't quite come up in the montana one. i think he's going to create problems with people who work in the postal service who are worried they're going to have to do a whole bunch of lay-offs and are going to be shutting down a bunch of mini offices. the point is well taken. >> i heard some horrific number in terms of what they're in the hole. in the billions of dollars. >> reporter: absolutely. >> chuck, we'll talk to you again. it's early where you are, like 5:17 in the morning. >> you know, arizona has this weird decision where half the year on pacific time, half the time on -- >> just go get coffee. wherever you are. i'll talk to you next hour. >> fair enough. >>> almost a dozen wildfires continue to rage across california. the most troublesome of those fires is in santa cruz county south of san francisco. the fire there already charring more than ten square miles. michael okwu is live in swanton. you're with us all morning yesterday with talk about the fires. i understand that the firefighters did make some progress in the last 24 hours or so. >> reporter: well, there's definit
senator max baucus of montana. oh, and congressman bachus later admitted he made a mistake and meant to say deficit. social security could face a deficit within two years. first chance at default would be 2037 so fox got the name wrong and branch of government wrong and political party wrong and the quote and fact wrong. there's been no correction. >>> dateline washington, number two best ex-politician oopsie. tom delay now affiliated with "dancing with the stars" on with chris, never mind for a moment he turned into one of those invasion of the body snatchers, conspiracy theory birther things listen for the blooper. >> will you do me a favor. ask the president to show me his gift certificate? i mean his girth certificate? his birth certificate. >> that's how obama can reform health care. send everybody a gift certificate. genius. genius, i tell you. and dateline la marque, texas, number one best politician oopsie. senator kay bailey hutchison vowing to make education a cornerstone of her candidacy for governor which she announced at la marque high where she was coronation queen in 1
are they going to pay for this? there's the guy out there in montana last week who said, you think you're going to get money from here and there and save it here, aren't you going to have to tax people and raise taxes? i don't think that question's been dealt with well enough. >> it's so complicated. complicated for us to understand, certainly complicated for people who are being, frankly, misinformed, and reading a lot of stuff out there who are trying to scare people. >> and there's the element of passion. i have talked to allies of the white house who have said, pointedly, the president has not done enough to lobby individual senators hard enough on this thing. it's very difficult. what is it that the president is for? what is he fighting for here? he may have bullet points, he may have principles, but in order for those democrats out there who have cast a vote, if they're on the house side, or who will prepare to do that on the senate side, what is it that they're actually voting for? and the president is trying to walk this line between dictating what's going on in it and what he wants and
hampshire, colorado, and montana just to bring these kind of opposition forward. all the passion that on the other side. so obama wanted to match that head-to-head. the problem with obama is he gives these sort of sober assessments. he has a hard time matching the passion of the other side. i think that's why over the weekend we heard him start to talk about his grandmother a little bit, something he hasn't wanted to get into so far, but it is an emotional point. it is very resonant. that's why they're doing that, bring up the passion level. >> what about the health care town hall in colorado. the third one in a week for this president. this morning the president again reinforcing his message. he wrote a loengthy op-ed in th "new york times." if you don't get a chance to get to a town hall meeting, it does make a very strong case for the white house's perspective. get ahold of it, everyone. that said, has the president accomplished what he set out to do this week? >> no, absolutely not, alex. they're on the defensive. they're struggling. they wasted so much time answering this de
to montana on friday to hold another town hall. the president will be greeted by protestors, perhaps as many as 500 people are expected at a rally outside of the airport where the president will be holding his town hall. chuck todd is chief white house correspondent on top of the white house strategy and all this. what is the view of the white house? do they feel like they're somehow being able to get their message out or fear they're being drowned out by all the chaos? >> the answer to both questions is yes. that is why you saw the president yesterday at this town hall spend as much time saying what the plan wasn't going to do and what was not in the plan as he did pushing the plan. so, i think they realized they're on two tracks. the actual debate about health care policy is not taking place at town halls. this debate is taking place still in the gang of six with max baucus, bradley, those guys in the senate with congressional democratic leaders. but that isn't what the public is see. now there's a public debate which has morphed into a part of a cult, a red versus blue culture wars. i fee
obama will be holding two town halls this weekend, one tomorrow in montana and another in colorado saturday. but there's still a few more weeks until congress is back from recess, and there's a lot more time to debate and a lot more opportunities for people to be misinformed. joan walsh is the editor in chief for salon.com. i want to start with senator grassley. he's come out in regards to the comments he made the bipartisan group drop the end of life provision from the proposal even though he brought it up yesterday, he said that people have every right to fear. when you hear signs like david just mentioned, isn't it a great responsibility to make sure you are always stating the facts, especially when you're an elected official? >> yeah, i would agree with you, tamron. and i know grassley is a conservative, but i don't really consider him part of the bomb-throwing fringe, like sarah palin. >> which is part of the shocking nature of this angle of the story. >> right. he knows better. he knows what's in every bill, and he know that is end of life counseling provision does not have a
care and health reform joining from us montana. senator, the dream that would never die included passing health reform. what is the likelihood of having that happen? you've been involved in all the key negotiations. >> ironically, i think the spirit and passion of ted's will be even stronger now. his passing is unfortunate but i think that's the case. i've never known a more effective legislator. i think ted kennedy is the great aent most effective legislator in modern american times. he was so passionate and worked so hard, a gifted speaker but then he would sit down and work out an agreement and compromise. and realize, okay. there was two sides of this. let's figure out how to get this passed. and the personal touch. we all know personal stories of ted and a very small one in my case, i was home one night and my mother was there and ted and my mother got the into this long, wonderful conversation and pretty soon became good pen pals. ted would write thank you notes to people. in this internet age nobody writes thank you notes but ted did. it was amazing how many people he did
she wants to do. she wants to booed en her fan base, get past this disneyesque, hannah montana image. does this bring in more scrutiny from her? how prohibitive can that be? >> i think it's realistic of her to push things. i think last year she pushed things too far with that "vanity fair" photo shoot. within hours of that pole dance, her new song was number one at itunes, has already exceeded the sales of her last hit "the climb." >> we have seen child stars go wild in the past. is she on a different path than they were? who comes to mind? lindsay lohan. even britney to a degree. it was a rough road for a while. >> brid any rebounded. lindsey has not. it's questionable whether lindsey ever will. as miley takes that dangerous path, it may be a one-way trip. >> what do you think about her family? he dad and mom seem to be so over her. when she reaches a certain age, what can they do? >> only a year and a half left in terms of reigning her in. i think obviously they're show business savvy having been there themselves. i think that helps in this case. there's a wonderful bond between th
to montana and yellowstone, but that's okay. a lot of us get confused. yellowstone is a pretty big national park. but he got to see old faithful, went fly fishing. we hear he didn't catch any fish. press secretary robert gibbs appare apparently caught a fish that he's apparently sporting on his blackberry. chuck, you've been working really hard. are you going to get to the dodgers/diamondbacks game? >> i'd sure like to figure it out. maybe our friends who are watching who are our bosses there, maybe they can -- give me a little time off. >> he'll be a much happier guy, guaranteed. >> dodgers have to win this game. they need to win this game. they've lost two in this series. >> right. tommy lasorda's getting inducted into the brooklyn hall of fame today. i might pop on out there and give him a big old hug and say good for you. >> hope you get there. thank you very much for the work this weekend, chuck todd. >>> to california now and today almost a dozen different wildfires continue to burn across that state. thousands of firefighters out in force on the front lines trying to keep the flames
snow, maine, grassley, iowa and senator baucus out of montana coming into this conversation. from washington, d.c., charlie book and msnbc political analyst. lynn sweet is also here. lynn, is this too -- are we reading too much into who these people are in the states that they represent? or is it an appropriate anxiety that this much power resides in this particular context? >> may i refer to the federalist papers for the answer here, dylan? >> please do, please do. yes, please. >> they talked about something called the tyranny of the majority. one of the reasons we have senators, two from each state, which was a debate of the founding of our nation whether big states should have more representation, i think is for situations like this. there are so many checks and balances. there are so many ways to go. you used the word conference this morning which most people don't know but in the end both chambers have to agree. for the moment at this shot in time these people have a lot of power and soon lose it once these measures advance. right now, yes, they have inordinate amount of powe
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